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Is there any canon information on where Leon is originally from, and his family?

The S.D. Perry RE2 novel mentions that Leon is on his way to Raccoon City from New York (although since he miscalculated the New York traffic, it's unlikely that he's from there originally), and also states, "And it wasn't like he was a stranger to Raccoon City, since he'd spent most of his summers there as a kid, when his grandparents were still alive."

However, it seems like the S.D. Perry novels are generally not taken as canon, despite the Capcom logo on the back cover. (Although, with Capcom it's so hard to tell, as even the RE games contradict the other games!)

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The S.D. Perry novels have nothing to do with the games at all aside from sharing the same namesake. They're in the same vain as the movies. The first novels were primarily adaptions of the games with a LOT of bullshit creative license, such as the example you've just given. But as Perry wrote more, they basically became his/her own stories with only the backdrop and characters (barely) being similar.

They are essentially just published fan-fiction.

We don't know much about Leon, other than that his reasoning behind being a police officer was because his family was involved in crime; which got them killed. The lighter he has in RE2 is also his father's.

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We also know from the Archives book that he got drunk the night before RE2 took place on account of losing his girlfriend; which is apparently why he's running into town late.

Poor boy has no luck with the ladies.

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And that's the reason behind why he had that crush so fast and easy with Ada.

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In Gaiden we learn more about Leon's motivations, and what drives him. His survival after his BOW injury, as with Jill, provides further defense against the egg injection in RE4. Just like her, this prior exposure to the virus and consequent recovery helps Leon when faced again with a viral outbreak in his body. He sent Clare that email she got in CVX from the Starlight, so he even managed to think of others when he was on a boat of marauding zombies! Capcom have always said they would bridge the gap between Gaiden & RE4 so we will get to see the details of his recovery after the BOW attack on the starlight, and more details about what followed after Gaiden, but before RE4

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Gaiden isn't canon.

He also doesn't survive his BOW injury, he dies. The Leon at the end is the Tyrant assuming his identity, just like it did to Lucia. Hence why he bleeds green blood, just like she did before when it was impersonating her.

Capcom have never mentioned Gaiden in relation to RE4, or even in general. Because it has nothing to do with the series in general. It is on the same level as the Fire & Ice comics, the RE5 "prequel" comic and the S.D. Perry books. It has zero relevance whatsoever.

This topic concerns canon info, so please leave Gaiden out of it.

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Yeah I suppose it depends on how you define relevent, so for me as it is a canon game, it has to be relevent, and I do not agree that Leon was the tyrant at the end, it is all open to interpretation - I find it harder to legitamise Resi 0 with Resi 1 than I do with Gaiden - the Gaiden haters don't bother me, I love the game - I think it gets a hard press, and I agree with Chimera - I think it was him/her who defended Gaiden the other day?

Chimera Edit:  It wasn't me.  I've never played the game.

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It's not open to interpretation, it deliberately shows the cut on Leon's neck at the end because it's meant to show that it is infact the Tyrant, because throughout the game it was stated that the Tyrant bled green blood. There is also a cutscene showing Leon's final words as he dies, which already doesn't mix with the "I'M OK LOLZ" later on. Leon not being Leon at the end is the "twist" of the game.

Even if it weren't the Tyrant, Leon bleeding green blood automatically destroys Gaiden's relevance to the series. It's not canon and there is not a single argument in favour for it. End of story. Now stop talking about it.

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What a perculiar thing to say, surely this forum is for fans to chat about all things Resi, and discussing whether a game is canon or not is ideal for a forum I would think ? You seem rather aggressive in your denouncement, not of Gaiden, but of its fans or even its detractors discussing it. I don't mind whoever thinks Gaiden is not canon & unlilke you I respect the other opinion even if it is not my one - time is too short & Resi is too cool for me to take your ridiculously arrogant & ignorant approach that my opinion is fact not open to interpretation. Say what you like about Gaiden not being canon - we all get the picture, we just respectfuly (unlike you it seems) disagree.

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This topic is not for opinions. It's for canon info on the character. Your opinion doesn't mean anything here, which is why I'm asking you to stop talking about a game which ultimately lends nothing to the topic. Using Gaiden is just spreading misinformation.

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Mate, News Bot is right. The cliffhanger ending of Gaiden is not open to interpretation, it is quite clear at the end that Leon is dead and the BOW is portraying him. There are two facts that backup that: The BOW takes the form of Lucia in the same way half way in game and the fact that Leon by obvious reasons doesn't have green blood.

I agree with you saying that this is a forum for fans to talk about RE stuff, but you have to accpet that even if you are a Gaiden fan, the game has no official ties with anything in the RE universe. It's just an spin-off like the SD Perry novels. Otherwise, can you prove with official info your statement ("Capcom have always said they would bridge the gap between Gaiden & RE4 so we will get to see the details of his recovery after the BOW attack on the starlight")? can you prove that Gaiden is canon? If you show me legit evidence, I'll change my mind right away.

It was Welsh the one who try to make it fit in the chronology, btw.

EDIT: I think it would be better to keep talking about Gaiden in its topic: http://projectumbrella.net/forum/Gaiden-Canon%3F-PU-Debate-Continues

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Thanks I appreciate your tone, very different to the other user - I accept though that if this bit here is for canon only & the official line is Gaiden is not canon then shouldn't have brought it up, but I still agree with Welsh.  Now that someone who is willing to listen has outlined their objections, I am more inclined to consider & agree, but who decides what is & what is not canon, and what if it seems the split is 50-50 ? One of the things that made me think Gaiden was at least more official than the Perry books is that it has a Capcom logo (I know they didn't make the game, before that guy goes bonkers!) I have never seen the books - do they have Capcom logo? Does it not have any significance the Capcom logo on Gaiden? - anyone could write a book & call it Resi, but Gaiden has Capcom's stamp. Either way I love Gaiden, but promise to only talk to Welsh about it from now on, sorry!!!

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anyone could write a book & call it Resi,

No, they can't. Capcom own the brand. Anything with "Resident Evil" attached to it is automatically subject to copyright which Capcom holds. The Perry books and the comics all have either the Capcom logo or their copyright statement attached. Gaiden is no different.

And I told you twice now to stop talking about Gaiden. Either get back on topic or take it to here: http://projectumbrella.net/forum/Gaiden-Canon%3F-PU-Debate-Continues

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Well, anyways, I believe the question has been answered. There is no canon info about Leon's hometown or his family.

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Thanks for the answers. I also appreciate the discussion about Gaiden--I haven't heard much about that game, and canon or not, it's nice to hear what else has been done with Leon in the name of Capcom. (Yes, the S.D. Perry novels do have the Capcom logo on the back, and yes, they are basically just like reading fanfiction.)

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It's not open to interpretation, it deliberately shows the cut on Leon's neck at the end because it's meant to show that it is infact the Tyrant, because throughout the game it was stated that the Tyrant bled green blood. There is also a cutscene showing Leon's final words as he dies, which already doesn't mix with the "I'M OK LOLZ" later on. Leon not being Leon at the end is the "twist" of the game.

Even if it weren't the Tyrant, Leon bleeding green blood automatically destroys Gaiden's relevance to the series. It's not canon and there is not a single argument in favour for it. End of story. Now stop talking about it.

 

Sorry to bump this thread but I just wanted to correct you on one thing. We never see Leon die in the game. All he says is that there's no way out of the engine room. When Barry makes it to the engine room, there's no sign of Leon's corpse.

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Sorry to bump this thread but i just wanted to correct you on one thing. We never see Leon die in the game. All he says is that there's no way out of the engine room. When Barry makes it to the engine room, there's no sign of Leon's corpse

We know that Leon is dead by virtue of the fact that a big fat B.O.W. that has just adopted his body, in the same way that we know Edward is dead when he walks around like a zombie!

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Actually, I'm kind of surprised Capcom would have given the okay to a third party who wanted to off one of their main characters.

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Wow, it's not green blood it's an infection. Gaiden was canon, now listen to Newsbot and get on subject about his family.

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In Gaiden we learn more about Leons motivations, and what drives him. His survival after his BOW injury, as with Jill, provides further defense against the egg injection in RE4. Just like her, this prior exposure to the virus and consequent recovery helps Leon when faced again with a viral outbreak in his body.

 

Not going back to Gaiden, but I want to make something clear. In most RE games the protagonists are NEVER canonically infected and/or bitten by any of the B.O.W.s (except Jill and the Nemesis's paralizing venom, Sherry Birkin implanted with G-Embrio, Luis Serra, Ashley and Leon with Las Plagas and so on...). Since Leon was not canonically infected before the events of RE 4, he could not have developed Anti-bodies like Jill did to the T-viral strain found in her body (but I am sure she was also infected with Ne-T virus). In the game, it is stated countless times and restated in RE5 that the main reason of why the Las Plagas was not a good candidate for B.O.W. production was because of the time it took for the implanted egg to hatch (which was corrected in Las Plagas Type 2). Leon did not resist the infection, it is simply that the Las Plagas takes TOO long hatch, grow and take control of a body. So again, possible exposure and/or infection to the Progenitor and its variants has nothing to do with Las Plagas resistance and besides, why would it? The only one who had high viral resistance against another virus besides Tyrant was Jill because her antibodies were used in the creation of the Uroboros, hence why the Uroboros is highly inefective against her (consider Jill as a lesser type of Lisa Trevor).

 

Now about his family...or his origins prior to RE2....I have found this from the RE: Wikia

 

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"Leon's arrival in Raccoon City in Resident Evil 2 is never fully explained. It was stated that the U.S. Army had placed a blockade around the city to prevent the infected from leaving, so Leon could not have been allowed to enter. After getting drunk at a party, Leon drove to a motel and spent the night. After oversleeping, he donned his uniform and drove to Raccoon City. It was this mistake that saved him from being turned into a zombie during the Raccoon Police Department siege. "

Also he meet Kevin Ryman from RE:Outbreak seeing they once belonged to the same unit. We can assume that Leon was your average kind of dude, he went to parties, drank too much in one and ended up oversleeping and arriving late at night. Funny, Leon was saved by the beer. xD

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Wow, it's not green blood it's an infection. Gaiden was canon, now listen to Newsbot and get on subject about his family.

WOW!  You really need to take your own advice friend! Gaiden is NOT canon, having been retconned by Leon's non-infected appearance in RE4 ~ Don't let Newsbot hear you calling it canon, he'll provide you with far more damning evidence that it is NOT, than I can ~ read his posts above! It's quite simple, Leon was killed in Gaiden. The 'Leon' at the end is the B.O.W that adopted his body, hence the green blood!

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Well strictly what happened is that the B.O.W. obtained a sample of Leon's DNA and replicated him. The real Leon as stated was trapped in the engine room and did not escape the doomed S.S. Starlight.

@ Dr. Birkin: Careful with all things Wikia, it's highly debatable at best, and that extract regarding Leon's drunkeness I'm not sure has been verified in an official source.  I have however heard of it before somewhere.

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Thanks Nick, can't believe Gaiden rears its ugly (& controversial) head again!

Regarding Leon's late arrival on his first day ~ Resident Evil Archives pages 119-120 (Leon Character Profile) :

Page 119 refers to his lateness.

Page 120 "...The reason he was late for work was a party the previous night. He had gotten drunk in a motel, trying to forget about the pain of breaking up with his girlfriend."

I don't know how accurate a translation this is from the Biohazard Archives, or how authoritative Archives, as a Brady publication, is, and how much input Capcom's RE people had in this books production?

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Cheers 5th Survivor, I knew I had read it somewhere, yeah Archives is canon as far as possible, it would have to be checked with the Japanese version first however as hinted at.

I'm sure we will look at it at some point.

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Guys, we all can agree that what saved Leon's ass was his tendency to be late at everything (specially at saving Ashley in RE4), his bad habit of drinking a lot when depressed (who could blame him?) and the fact that he broke up with his girlfriend mere days before the Racoon City Outbreak. Perhaps, if Capcom decides to make another Outbreak game, seeing that Kevin Ryman met Leon before, we could get more information about Leon's past.

Oh and thanks Neptune, I'll bear it in mind. I guess I'll have to download RE2 to play it again since my memory is being lacking nowadays. Besides, we don't need much to prove about Gaiden status as non-canon....just look at RE4....if Gaiden were to be a canon then that would make RE4 and RE5 non-canon since Leon is mentioned in both games, his status confirmed as alive and besides....in RE4 his blood was RED! Just let him get killed a few times in case you have doubts.

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Kevin Ryman met Leon?

When? Where? Source?

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In the Hellfire scenario in Outbreak, one of Kevin's special items is two tickets to a football game.  He comments, "Two tickets to a Sharks game.  Hmm...these seats aren't half bad.  Maybe I'll take my buddy Leon."

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Ah, I see.

I never bothered to collect all the special items, as it just took too much time.

So, it's safe to say that Leon has spent a fair amount of time in Raccoon City then?

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Well both Leon and Kevin Ryman belonged to the same special unit and, as far as I know, they are the only survivors from their RPD group. Leon was simply referred as "the new guy".

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What do you all people mean by canon or not. I agree with Barjack 103 about Gaiden playing an important role.

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Canon means that it is currently important in the main storyline in ways that it influences the following sequels. For example, RE: Code Veronica is canon because it has been linked to games such as RE2, RE3 and RE5. In other words, that it exists in the same universe as the rest of the games within the series. Non Canon well....just a "how could have been" scenario. Gaiden might be a good game, yet it holds virtually NO SIGNIFICANCE in the main Resident Evil storyline simply because its universe does not fits in the others. Therefore, Gaiden has no role in the RE universe per sé aside from being a "could have been" spin-off, a possible scenario that it was interesting to approach yet it is not considered to take part of the main stream.

Reasons why Gaiden is not Canon:

-Not mentioned in other RE games, at least Leon's role in it.

-Leon is human in RE 4 and bleeds RED

-Leon is human in Code Veronica X

-Leon is STILL human in RE5 and was mentioned.

-Leon's only infection was under the influence of an unhatched Las Plagas.

-Canonically, neither Leon nor any of the other protagonists of Resident Evil, unless stated in the game such as Jills infection with both the Ne-T-virus and a paralizing toxin, has been bitten, scratched, infected by any of the manufactered B.O.W.s or the accidental B.O.W.

-Gaiden was after the events of RE 2/3 but before the events RE4 and 5, since Leon is still human in RE4 and 5 and seeing that in Gaiden Leon never escaped the Starlight Cruise, Gaiden is therefore non-canon.

-Oh and Gaiden is the Japanese word for "Side Story". :)

However, you might have a slight chance of proving Gaiden (titanical task I dare say) is canon seeing that:

-when Lucia is infected with the B.O.W, she bleeds green blood as a matter of being infected with the parasite B.O.W. and not being the B.O.W. herself. If Leon was infected, then the B.O.W. could have survived inside of him later to be extracted sometime before the events of RE4. It seems that Capcom made a mistake not explaining this in RE4. Since RE4 has no mention of the Cruiser Starlight, and neither it is seen in either of the Chronicle games nor in the RE5 Umbrella History Archives, I see little hope in Gaiden's canonicy. It was made by European fans and licensed by Capcom.

 

However....

-The fact that Gaiden has not been mentioned in any RE game up to date, well proving its canonicy is quite hard if not impossible.

Now let us stick to what News Bot said and keep figuring out what the hell Leon did with his life prior the events of RE2 besides getting drunk at random parties and dumped/rejected  by chicks.

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